Don’t mind me. The readings of the OT at Mass in the U.S. (and the Philippines) are from an older translation of the NAB that had been modified by Rome to be part of the 2002 edition of the U.S. Lectionary. If anything, stringently following the Masoretic is kind of foreign to the Catholic approach to textual decisions. The English Standard Version-Catholic Edition is finally here! But as Aristotle once said, “Piety requires us to honor truth above our friends!”. On the one hand, the Augustine Institute is emphasizing the literal, word-for-word translation philosophy, but then they point to verses that either illustrate a preference for tradition over word-for-word accuracy or verses that are notoriously difficult to translate (Romans 9:5). After several years of waiting and speculation, and just when it appeared that everybody had given up on the prospects of this becoming a reality, the English Standard Version Catholic Edition (ESV-CE) of the Bible was finally published at the beginning of 2018 in India, but is still not available to buyers in America apparently for marketing reasons. Brant Pitre, Distinguished Research Professor of Scripture at the Augustine Institute in Denver, believes the Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition is the best English … Yes, this is an insignificant quibble, but it still bothers me. The English Standard Version Catholic Edition … "I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; Key features of this magnificent translation include: The ONLY major modern translation of the Catholic Bible available in standard English There isn’t of a much diff between the esv and RSV/2ce though. Contemporary English Version - Book of Psalms, American Bible Society. It would be great if AI would correct Genesis 3:16, 1Tim and Luke. Especially since the OT verse they cherry-picked demonstrate that the NABRE’s OT is a much more literal translation of the Hebrew, and honestly any verse they pick from the NT doesn’t matter much since the current NABRE NT is going to be replaced in a few short years. but there’s nothing wrong with propitition,that is a good Catholic word. ", John 3:7 Brant Pitre, Distinguished Research Professor of Scripture at the Augustine Institute in Denver, believes the Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition is the best English translation of the … Containing a short promo video, comparisons to the NABRE, info on available editions, and a FAQ section, this website is titled “Anchored in the Storm” denoting (I think) the times we are living in. Condition is "Very Good". ATC has plenty of variants available on their site and comparatively cheap. Contemporary English Version - Book of Proverbs, American Bible Society. But for those who are curious about other Catholic hot spot passages, I have found them to be identical to the Protestant ESV. Speaking of culture, the RSV-2CE modifies descriptions to fit modern western culture while the ESV-CE translates them as they are, reflecting the culture at the time the text was written. But I too think there’s some exageration going on with the claims. That’s precisely it. Since they are printed on the same paper and with the same ink as the text of the Bible, I am able to underline and write on the maps with the same tools I use in the rest of the Bible. Noah was the first tiller of the soil. and every tongue shall confess to God." A team of experienced and prominent Scripture scholars, led by Rev Dr Lucien Legrand MEP, worked on the ESV Bible, ensuring compatibility with the Catholic teaching and textual accuracy. The ESV is an update of the trusted Revised Standard Version (1952, 1971). I still can’t quite get over the implicit “dissing” of the other translations, and I wonder given what you’ve said if it is more reasonable to say the ESV best draws on the specifically “Christian” (as opposed to non-Christian) textual/theological tradition rather than “Catholic” (which sort of suggests the ESV is specifically more Catholic and less Protestant than other translations, which if anything the opposite seems true). The new translation includes changes to nearly 60,000 words from the Revised Standard Version … For example, look at the comparisons of John 1 here: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%201&version=AKJV,ESV,RSV. He planted a vineyard; (RSV-2CE) This Bible is printed with black ink only, including the maps which were apparently intended to be printed in full color. But fair enough, it is not intrinsically bad or un-Catholic, although I think in fact it might have been motivated by an evangelical orientation. There is a review on yt, esv Vs RSV trying to show if there is a slant. This may be a "speed bump" for new readers, but in the long run it is the best option as one becomes more familiar with the culture of the Bible. I largely agree about the exaggerated (and frankly untrue) marketing, Alfredo. The Augustine Institute is now bringing English-speaking Catholics in North America a major new revision of the Revised Standard Version of the Bible called the English Standard Version - Catholic … With a Catholic edition I now have all the canonical books approved by the Catholic … "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And I am a pretty “conservative” person when it comes to these matters. But the ESV-CE didn't get them all; Psalm 26:10 in the ESV-CE still says ...in whose hands are evil devices, which might conjure up images of phones going off during the Mass. Michael Barber has a good piece on St. Jerome and Pope Francis’ new letter here: https://thesacredpage.com/2020/09/30/pope-francis-releases-surprise-letter-on-jerome-and-scripture-study-on-the-16th-centennial-of-his-death/. But now it’s in my hands, and I’m happy with it. The Augustine Bible features a beautiful foil-stamped slipcase and a durable matte cover to ensure that you can use and treasure this Bible for years to come. (Though perhaps I will see that more if I look at the NT, which I haven’t as much.) Especially after reading the foreword material (I finally got my copy last night! When reading marketing speak, you have to divide by 10, and sometimes, by 100. (As for the NT, it just follows the most recent Nestle-Aland right? But comparatively, the ESV is very similar to the RSV. in fact, it is used by the Council of Trent. Out of curiosity, I started comparing texts between the KJV, RSV and ESV, and overall the ESV is quite good. Actually I think ATC owns the base rights to publication still. Your email address will not be published. 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The ESV-CE has very few cross references. Not that the ESV is bad, not at all! It’s what ultimately convinced me to edge closer to this as my “go-to” Bible. Thanks Chris, that makes sense, and lessens some of the force of the critique I was making. https://catholicbiblestudent.com/2020/10/what-is-the-difference-between-the-rsv-2ce-and-the-esv-catholic-edition-statistics-included.html#comments, Oh hey guys! Below are three recently published Bible’s from good respected Catholic publishers for prayer and study. But I definitely didn’t think to draw that connection or that that was what the Augustine Institute might have meant. I really appreciate all these comments but I think I’ll just wait ‘til the good ‘ol Ignatius Study Bib…. Website: “This translation better draws upon the textual and theological traditions of the Church compared to other English Catholic Bibles.”. Not sure what’s the deal between ATC and AI. That’s quite a bit different than the other members of the RSV family line. Props to them for that! Great points, thanks! 1 Timothy 3:1 Some Protestants, especially those of the Reformed variety, do insist that penal substitution is the only legitimate theory of the atonement, but to try to pack all that into one word seems implausible. Publications. I really do like the ESV-CE and the Augustine Institute’s work, and I get that it’s good marketing. Hmm, really not so sure about that, with respect to either textual *or* theological issues. There are a few places where the RSV-2CE still outshines the ESV-CE; those few hot spots that Catholics like to check. My only critique of this Bible is that it's in a paperback format. 1 John 5:16-17 I, too, really enjoy the ESVCE, but it’s not the be-all-end-all of translations. To the woman he said, The first edition of the novel was published in June 1st 1972, and was written by Anonymous. The font is very readable, and the paper is white. With a Catholic edition I now have all the canonical books approved by the Catholic Church. I also think it is misleading to say that the ESVCE is “the most readable, accurate, and reliable translation of the entire Holy Bible available for English speaking Catholics throughout the world.” It isn’t. For example, in Luke 1:28 the ESV-CE has Greetings, O highly favored one instead of Hail, full of grace. For example, all references to the "brothers" of Jesus are still "brothers" and not "brethren" as they appear in the RSV-CE and RSV-2CE. You bear witness to things! In fact, I think they may have referenced that as an example. John 1:1-2 English Standard Version (ESV) The Word Became Flesh. Smoothing over the original language because it is so graphic might spare us some unpleasant images but it can also deprive us of an occasional chuckle. This is so much better than glue bound Bibles which have become so common these days. Yes. Noticeable compression at upper corner but no damage to binding and does not affect function or readability. Compare the English for males in any modern English translation of 1 Samuel 25:22, 34 with the Douay-Rheims (where it is 1 Kings rather than 1 Samuel). Here are some passages of interest from the ESV-CE: Genesis 3:16 1 Timothy 3:15 I’ve heard people argue endlessly about how translations shouldn’t be too hard to read, because then no one will understand them (or want to read them). I haven’t seen one in so long, I honestly don’t know what they’re sticking in hotels these days. You don’t bear witness “about” something unless you’re speaking very informally, whether or not that’s intentional. Nice points, Surly, I agree. I would be great if AI could make corrections in Genesis, Luke and 1Tim. Many pages appear unread and all are clean and intact. Yes, you are correct in what you write. If you are looking for a Catholic Bible right now that checks all those boxes, then there is always the Douay-Rheims Bible. Publications. I was in a rush. That website states, “Introducing the only Catholic Edition of the English Standard Version (ESV-CE), the most readable, accurate, and reliable translation of the entire Holy Bible available for English speaking Catholics throughout the world.” Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, And I would add that by cherry picking a few verses against the NABRE isn’t the most thoughtful or helpful comparison. The CCBI, during its Plenary Assembly in February 2017 approved the English Standard Version Catholic Edition … Bible Reviews, Bible Study, Translations, and more. The more I read the NABRE, the more I appreciate that its translators and annotators did not dumb down their approach. in pain you shall bring forth children. I hope in the future they will offer this edition in premium leather, but it will depend upon demand, obviously. God gave us the words and concepts of the Bible in the context of certain languages and cultures and I would rather have a more accurate translation and deal with potentially off-color phrases. I thought ATC Publishing in India still publishes their edition of the ESV-CE Bible. Do I think it’s a superb translation? It leaves a bad taste in my mouth for sure. Fair enough! That’s a good thing. About the ESV. As for the topic of the post, as I looked at the Augustine Institute’s ESVCE website I was thinking that it’s exciting to see how much is being done to promote the bible in Catholic evangelization today. The book was published in multiple languages including English… They still have their bonded leather and hardbound options available. And no translation could possibly be all three of those things. I'm happy with this Bible, and glad to finally have it in my hands after ten months of trying to figure out how to order it and pay for it. Textually, the OT of the ESV, to my understanding, is pretty uncompromising in its pro-Masoretic orientation, which reflects the evangelical Protestant background of the original translators. The English Standard Version (ESV) is an English translation of the Bible.It was first published in 2001 by Crossway.The ESV is based on the 1971 edition of the Revised Standard Version (RSV) text.. Disturbing parts such as Noah being the first tiller of the soil in Genesis 9:20 are changed to reflect the actual Hebrew text in the Old Testament. I like picking up a Gideon Bible when I travel for work, and not having to worry about too many mental gymnastics. Guest Review of the Augustine Institute Hardcover ESV-CE, Email Update from Schuyler on their Premium RSV, https://thesacredpage.com/2020/09/30/pope-francis-releases-surprise-letter-on-jerome-and-scripture-study-on-the-16th-centennial-of-his-death/. Honestly, if someone coming to the Scriptures for the first time wanted to read the OT, especially the Pentateuch, I would almost certainly recommend them the NABRE first, over the ESVCE. Now you may all go forth and bear witness to/about (your preference) my surliness. That is quite helpful. Here’s hoping that they will regularly update the site and include more features in the future. But no one is born with flawless mastery (let alone any knowledge) of any language, we all have to learn – surely keeping everything at a 6th-grade reading level isn’t the answer. And it’s ironic that for a bible that is really Catholic, it’s really mostly the product of Protestant scholarship. The implication is that a word-for-word translation will always follow a traditional rendering (a false claim), and therefore, the NABRE has departed from traditional renderings because the translators intentionally wanted to promote heterodox theology. Expiation is not a traditional Catholic word, propitiation is. This new translation is a modified form of the ESV Bible, which was translated by evangelical scholars and first released in 2001. The Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition is an English translation of the Bible first published in 1966. There is no real leather edition right now, only bonded leather and "faux" leather plus hardbound editions. Printed in Italy, The Augustine Bible features the English Standard Version® Catholic Edition translation, which some consider to be the best available English … Since there was so little information about the ESV-CE on the web at the time, I took a few photos and provided this review. Later it was made available in digital form on Verbum but unfortunately the Augustine Institute has not made the digital version for Verbum available to folks here in Japan. In fact, the DR uses propitiation too I believe, so maybe it is really a return to Catholic tradition! The English Standard Version (ESV) is an essentially literal translation of the Bible in contemporary English. And yet, they are constantly pilloried for doing so. You’re overreading it. Honestly, the more eclectic NRSV OT probably has a better claim to be drawing on the more pluriform textual tradition of the Catholic Church. Pardon all the typos in my previous comment. I’ll give you overseer. It’s one thing to claim that a translation is the “most accurate” translation available in English — all translations claim that, and individual scholars differ on the most accurate translation of any given passage, let alone the Bible as a whole. (I understand Catholics also have a substitionary view of the atonement too, of course.) Excellent condition with minimal wear on cover. This ESV is known for its Study Bible (non Catholic version). In 2018, the Catholic Church in India approved this new translation: the English Standard Version, Catholic Edition (ESV® Catholic Edition). This is bad advertising at best, can nothing be allowed to stand on its own merits any more? The break came when I got a quote from them by e-mail and was instructed to Paypal them directly rather than use the Paypal option on their web site. ), As far as the *theological* tradition of the Church goes, I don’t know if you really want to go there! Though I love the NABRE OT, it also leans into “academic translation of the original OT language.” That’s one of the things that made the Orthodox reject the NRSV too. The phrase in bold text is actually two distinct terms which both the RSV-2CE and the ESV-CE combined into one concept. What it is actually saying is that the ESVCE is the only Catholic edition of the ESV. For example, the Greek word sarx in the New Testament is properly translated in the ESV-CE as flesh and not interpreted as worldly or some other watered-down equivalent as it is in the RSV-2CE. While hardly a translation of the Septuagint, it seems to make this its mission – unity of OT and NT in light of Christian teaching as quoted in the NT thru first century understanding of the Septuagint. But claiming that the ESV-CE “better draws upon the textual and theological traditions of the Church” and cherry-picking verses from the NABRE to paint it in an unfavorable light is a real turn-off to me. The Augustine Bible features a beautiful foil-stamped slipcase and a durable matte paperback cover to ensure that you can use and treasure this Bible for years to come. But I would recommend buyers say “no thank you” to the free shipping for orders over $50 and spend the extra few dollars to get FedEx Ground shipping. We learn proper English primarily through reading, since most people speak informally (to different degrees), so it’s important that hugely formative books like the Bible help us form good habits of speech and writing. But no Christian outside of mass in the U.S. really hears it. The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. So now the shoe is on the other foot, and those outside the United States are the ones gnashing their teeth.). I definitely will continue using both, myself. My compact RSV-CE had no maps, which forced me to use a Bible atlas. In my case that would be a Uni Style Fit pen with 0.28mm Blue Black Refill for writing notes, and a Pentel Multi 8 Colored Pencil for underlining. Let me also say that advertising the ESVCE as necessary for “faithful Catholics when reading Sacred Scripture” is also stupid. So when the marketing material talks about the ESV’s better use of the traditions of the Church in its translation philosophy, this is what I think it’s referring to: the NT Christians’ reading of the OT through the Septuagint, and a commitment to render the OT in a way that’s as open to the Greek reading as to the Hebrew, when that distinction is reflected in a passage in the New Testament (and if the text supports it). The Augustine Bible is an excellent Catholic edition of the ESV. This will be a "deal breaker" for some folks. I had read the front matter too, which is where I got the claim about the Masoretic orientation of the ESV’s OT (it’s pretty interesting to compare that to Bruce Metzger’s explanation of the OT textual basis, at the beginning of the NRSV). Specifically, in the ESV translation preface: “We have sought to use the same English word for important recurring words in the original; and as far as grammar and syntax will allow, we have rendered Old Testament passages cited in the New in ways that show their correspondence.”. and in the introduction to the Catholic edition: “New Testament writers often cited the Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew scriptures.”. Noticeable compression at upper corner but no damage to … The introduction states that the ESV-CE is in accord with Liturgiam Authenticam and will "form the basis of the liturgical text in the Catholic Lectionary." Aren’t Gideon Bibles typically KJVs? This Bible is sewn bound, so it lays open flat, and there is absolutely no danger of having pages fall out. In the more literal Douay-Rheims Bible, both terms are included: effeminate and liers with mankind. Such differences are so important to me that I can't go back to the RSV-CE / RSV-2CE because I don't trust them anymore; I don't want to be spoon-fed euphemisms which are easier to digest. The New English Lectionary will be released on Sunday 16 February 2020 and it will come into effect from Palm Sunday, 5 April 2020 onwards. So thanks again! Contemporary English Version - Book of Proverbs, American Bible Society. In 2018, the Catholic Church in India approved this new translation: The English Standard Version, Catholic Edition (ESV-CE). In 2018, the Catholic Church in India approved this new translation: The English Standard Version, Catholic Edition (ESV-CE). The Grail Psalter (Inclusive Language Version), G.I.A. 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